Not only is this Pure Unfiltered Bullcrap, but on it’s face it’s irrefutably false:
1. The Iraqi “mess” was started by the English in the middle years “oh so long ago” after the First World War, one can be forgiven for not knowing basic history, but if it wasn’t for the Interference of the English Monarchy, there would be No Iraq.
2. After the first Iraq War for Kuwati oil (don’t kid yourself that it wasn’t about oil, that’s all Kuwait has) The Baathist regime in Iraq was essentially caged, and caged animals do what they do and start feeding on themselves. Bravo!
3. Then The British PM and George Bush Colluded to create any evidence they could to jsutify simply going into Iraq and “restoring order” You’ll note the nice scare quotes I tossed onto that once since while The Hussein Regime was far from benign the Islamic Regime that is slowly coming in is sure to be much more Benevolent. Right, All those tolerant Tolerant Shia Regimes all over, right?
So Bravo and three cheers for the volunteer armies who found themselves guarding oil derricks and shooting kids in their own neighborhoods. Putting boot to ass for the cause of George Bush’s hubris and restoring the Great Satan to it’s vaunted and and long forgotten role as meddler and occupier in the Middle East! Hip Hip Hooray!
Three Cheers for the Career soldiers who are little more than pawns of politicians who (for the vast majority) wouldn’t stand on the front themselves and say Boo!
Hip Hip Hooray for the Boys and Girls who are getting blown to bits for a few drops of oil and the Right to a nice Theocratic Regime in the former Mesopotamia.
Raise a glass for the very real possibility of a returned Caliphate in the middle east, made possible by the Soldiers of Freedom and the tanks of Liberty!
Then take your Jingoistic bullcrap and stuff it in the coffins with every boy and girl killed by some other boy defending their own country from Oil Hungry losers who treat National Defense like “Gi-Joe”
By the by, only the US omitted over One Hundred thousand troops to Iraq, the UK committed less than 30,000. Hundreds of Thousands? That was an overestimate.
Cheers’ Good job doing the bare minimum to “support the troops” How about, instead of forwarding emails, you take a car ride down to the Veterans Hospital and spend an afternoon volunteering in the Psyche ward, those PTSD kids are a scream.
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Ned Wardrop <> wrote:
Angela Shaw
— On Wed, 15/7/09, Shaw, Angela <Angela.Shaw@ wrote:
From: Shaw, Angela <Angela.Shaw@l
Subject: FW: Read this as i did!! and yes i agree!! 100%
Date: Wednesday, 15 July, 2009, 11:56 AM
Iraq
Hit the nail on the head!
An incident occurred in a supermarket recently, when the following was
witnessed….
A Muslim woman dressed in a Burkha
(A black gown & face mask) was standing with her shopping in a queue at the
checkout. When it was her turn to be served, and as she reached the cashier, she made a loud remark about the
Scottish Flag lapel pin, which the female cashier was wearing on her blouse
The cashier reached up and touched the pin and said, ‘Yes, I always wear it
proudly. My son serves abroad with The forces and I wear it for him’.
The Muslim woman then asked the cashier when she was going to stop bombing
and killing her countrymen, explaining that she was Iraqi.
At that point, a Gentleman standing in the queue stepped forward, and
interrupted with a calm and gentle voice, and said to the Iraqi woman:
‘Excuse me, but hundreds of thousands of
men and women, just like this lady’s son have fought and sacrificed their Lives so that people just like YOU can stand here, in
Scotland , which is MY country and allow you to blatantly accuse an innocent check-out cashier of bombing YOUR countrymen’. ‘It is my belief that if you were allowed to be as outspoken as that in Iraq, which you claim to be YOUR country, then we wouldn’t need to be fighting there today’. ‘However – now that you have learned
how to speak out and criticise the Scottish people who have afforded
You the protection of MY country, I will gladly pay the cost of a ticket to help you pay your way back to Iraq ‘..
‘When you get there, and if you manage to
survive for being as outspoken as you are here in Scotland, then you should be able to help straighten out the mess which YOUR Iraqi countrymen have got you into in the first place, which appears to be the reason that you have come to MY country to avoid’…
Apparently the queue cheered and applauded.
IF YOU AGREE..
Pass this on to all of your proud Scottish friends..
I just did…………..!!!
Support Our Troops…..
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People who advocate for Private “American Style” Medicine in Canada crack me up:
Ontario’s healthcare monopoly almost killed Lindsay McCreith. After suffering a seizure in January of 2006, the 66-year-old retired auto body shop owner from Newmarket was told he had a brain tumour. But he would have to wait four-and-one-half months to obtain an MRI to rule out the possibility that it was cancerous. Unwilling to risk the progression of what might be cancer, Mr. McCreith obtained an MRI in Buffalo, which revealed the brain tumour was malignant. Even with this diagnosis in hand, the Ontario system still refused to provide timely treatment, so Mr. McCreith had surgery in Buffalo to remove the cancerous brain tumour in March of 2006.
In Ontario, Mr. McCreith would have waited eight months for surgery, according to his family doctor. Eight months is quite enough time for a cancer to worsen, spread and progress to an irreversible stage. Had Mr. McCreith not paid $27,600 (USD) out-of pocket for immediate medical care, he might be dead today.
Shona Holmes, a self-employed family mediator and the married mother of two children, began losing her vision in March of 2005. She also experienced severe headaches, anxiety attacks, high blood pressure, extreme fatigue, and weight gain. In spite of these serious symptoms and an MRI revealing a tumour in Ms. Holmes’ brain, Ontario’s health care system told her that she would have to wait months to see a specialist.
With the Mayo Clinic test results and diagnosis in hand, Ms. Holmes returned to Ontario, only to be told to wait for more appointments and tests. Having lost one half of her vision in her right eye and one quarter in her left, and unable to expedite appointments with specialists, she returned to the Mayo Clinic, where surgeons operated to remove the tumour. Within ten days, Ms. Holmes’ vision was completely restored. Visual field testing and a post-operative MRI also confirmed that the tumour caused the vision loss. Surgery had indeed been necessary to save her eyesight. Nevertheless, the Ontario Health Insurance Plan (OHIP) refuses to reimburse Ms. Holmes for any of the expenses she was forced to incur in seeking necessary medical care abroad. While she has returned to work, her husband must now work two full-time jobs to pay off the debts they were forced to incur to save her vision.
Did you ever get the idea that Private Care proponents don’t read their own press? The answer; in their minds is to sue to force a tiered health care system, where the wealthy can jump the line and take up the limited health care resources because the can afford it. I mean, what if there was private care in Ontario before these two sad sacks got sick? Would there magically have been more doctors? It’s not like the doctors would magically appear out of thin air:
“The United States is experiencing a primary care shortage the likes of which we have not seen,” Jeffrey P. Harris, MD, FACP, president of the American College of Physicians (ACP), told the House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Health Subcommittee. “The demand for primary care in the U.S. will grow exponentially as the nation’s supply of primary care dwindles.”
As the population ages, and dementia, delirium and Alzheimer’s disease impact millions each year, Medicare refuses to grant psychiatry the same “specialty” rates as others, and only pays these physicians about 50 percent of billings.
–Michael Golding
Patients per Doctor
Perhaps in MAgic Private Enterprise Land, health care is better, by and large, right?
This is from the CIA World Fact Book, not “My Commie Left Wing Free Halth Care Supporting Guidebook” at all. I keep for that for verbal debates.
Anyway; the only thing I hate about the free health care is that it isn’t actually universal, dentistry isn’t free, nor is eye care. All of these things should be free too. They all relate to quality of life and for the most part good overall health is good for the country, because healthy people both happy and productive and in our Hybrid economy, productive people have money and money is spent.
If anything, the two unfortunates should be suing the Federal and Provincial governments for not ensuring that staffing and funds were there to ensure their good health. That’s what our taxes as for, not adventures in the Middle East!
Ever since I signed up for daddyhood, I can’t stomach these sorts of stories. I can’t read things like that without imagining my own son or daughter as the victim. I’m going to have to go hug something.
“All women become like their mothers. That is their tragedy. No man does. That’s his.”
-Oscar Wilde
It seems that almost every one of my male friends who become Dads also become Mothers. They cease to hold onto the essential Maleness of their lives and start being fretful hens who “get all concerned” when something happens to a kid somewhere (anywhere) in the world. This may go a long way to explaining the lack of violent kid death in movies and video games. I’m probably a hypocrite on this matter myself, as the Parent who brushes hair and checks clothing before my own goes out the door (but I believe strongly that I am motivated by necessity and not nascent ovaries).
When did it become “okay” for Dad’s to stop being “Fatherly” and start wearing the proverbial June Cleavers around the house? These aren’t even Single Dads or Stay-at-home Dads; I’m talking about Dad’s who are out of the house for eight hours a day, drink beer, watch Nascar and Fret Fearfully when little Portia skins her ‘wittle‘ knees while playing on television in another state 20 years ago. The kind of Dad who knows how to unstop a drain without Draino and knows what a Ubend is for. Why is he crying on the Internet about some tragic horror in a world of Tragic Horror?
For that matter; who CRIES ON THE INTERNET at all? ( Results 1 – 10 of about 66,200 for “cryingrightnow“. (0.27 seconds)
It’s not like I expect Fathers to be the Violent Misanthropes we’ve been trained by Television and Movies to think they were or even Wise Patricians like Heathcliff Huxtable or Atticus Finch; just something more masculine than “The Fresh Prince” (circa 1991). No crying Jags in public and no fretting like hens over other people’s kids. It’s okay to worry in private, sensible people don’t need you to shred your shirt every time someone’s kid gets a boo-boo, even a fatal one.
The bankruptcy signals that Obama is prepared to play hardball with holdout lenders rather than knuckle under to their demands and will likely set the tone for similar discussions with bondholders of General Motors Corp — which is now on the clock to restructure its operations by the end of May.
While Obama voiced his support for Chrysler and the deal with Fiat, he was pointed in his criticism of the investors who did not agree to this deal.
“I don’t stand with them. I stand with Chrysler’s employees and their families and communities,” the president said. “I don’t stand with those who held out when everybody else is making sacrifices. That’s why I’m supporting Chrysler’s plans to use our bankruptcy laws to clear away its remaining obligations.”
Don’t visit his page; it’s infectiously crazy. DrinkwithBob is all about selling ads for his Mouth Stretching goods. Not for me; not for you. If you need yuor mouth stretched, let me suggest the Pear of Agony. It’s less of a chore.
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Next up is saran wrap. The idea is that you wrap saran wrap around the mouth in several layers, and poke a hole in the mouth area, and then waterboard away. I didn’t reall see how this was an improvement on the rag technique, and so far I would categorize waterboarding as simply unpleasant rather than torture, but I’ve come this far so I might as well go on.
Now, those of you who know me will know that I am both enamored of my own toughness and prone to hyperbole. The former, I feel that I am justifiably proud of. The latter may be a truth in many cases, but this is the simple fact:
It took me ten minutes to recover my senses once I tried this. I was shuddering in a corner, convinced I narrowly escaped killing myself.
Here’s what happened:
The water fills the hole in the saran wrap so that there is either water or vaccum in your mouth. The water pours into your sinuses and throat. You struggle to expel water periodically by building enough pressure in your lungs. With the saran wrap though each time I expelled water, I was able to draw in less air. Finally the lungs can no longer expel water and you begin to draw it up into your respiratory tract.
It seems that there is a point that is hardwired in us. When we draw water into our respiratory tract to this point we are no longer in control. All hell breaks loose. Instinct tells us we are dying.
I have never been more panicked in my whole life. Once your lungs are empty and collapsed and they start to draw fluid it is simply all over. You know you are dead and it’s too late. Involuntary and total panic.
There is absolutely nothing you can do about it. It would be like telling you not to blink while I stuck a hot needle in your eye.
At the time my lungs emptied and I began to draw water, I would have sold my children to escape. There was no choice, or chance, and willpower was not involved.
I never felt anything like it, and this was self-inflicted with a watering can, where I was in total control and never in any danger.
And I understood.
Waterboarding gets you to the point where you draw water up your respiratory tract triggering the drowning reflex. Once that happens, it’s all over. No question.
Some may go easy without a rag, some may need a rag, some may need saran wrap.
Once you are there it’s all over.
I didn’t allow anybody else to try it on me. Inconceivable. I know I only got the barest taste of what it’s about since I was in control, and not restrained and controlling the flow of water.
But there’s no chance. No chance at all.
So, is it torture?
I’ll put it this way. If I had the choice of being waterboarded by a third party or having my fingers smashed one at a time by a sledgehammer, I’d take the fingers, no question.
It’s horrible, terrible, inhuman torture. I can hardly imagine worse. I’d prefer permanent damage and disability to experiencing it again. I’d give up anything, say anything, do anything.
The Spanish Inquisition knew this. It was one of their favorite methods.
It’s torture. No question. Terrible terrible torture. To experience it and understand it and then do it to another human being is to leave the realm of sanity and humanity forever. No question in my mind.
Conclusion 8: Detainee abuse occurred during JPRA’s support to Special Mission Unit (SMU)
Task Force (TF) interrogation operations in Iraq in September 2003. JPRA Commander Colonel
Randy Moulton’s authorization ofSERE instructors, who had no experience in detainee
interrogations, to actively participate in Task Force interrogations using SERE resistance training
techniques was a serious failure in judgment. The Special Mission Unit Task Force
Commander’s failure to order that SERE resistance training techniques not be used in detainee
interrogations was a serious failure in leadership that led to the abuse ofdetainees in Task Force
custody. Iraq is a Geneva Convention theater and techniques used in SERE school are
inconsistent with the obligations of U.S. personnel under the Geneva Conventions.
My Long Form Response to yet another Jingoistic Email
Published by NiteMayr on July 18, 2009Not only is this Pure Unfiltered Bullcrap, but on it’s face it’s irrefutably false:
1. The Iraqi “mess” was started by the English in the middle years “oh so long ago” after the First World War, one can be forgiven for not knowing basic history, but if it wasn’t for the Interference of the English Monarchy, there would be No Iraq.
2. After the first Iraq War for Kuwati oil (don’t kid yourself that it wasn’t about oil, that’s all Kuwait has) The Baathist regime in Iraq was essentially caged, and caged animals do what they do and start feeding on themselves. Bravo!
3. Then The British PM and George Bush Colluded to create any evidence they could to jsutify simply going into Iraq and “restoring order” You’ll note the nice scare quotes I tossed onto that once since while The Hussein Regime was far from benign the Islamic Regime that is slowly coming in is sure to be much more Benevolent. Right, All those tolerant Tolerant Shia Regimes all over, right?
So Bravo and three cheers for the volunteer armies who found themselves guarding oil derricks and shooting kids in their own neighborhoods. Putting boot to ass for the cause of George Bush’s hubris and restoring the Great Satan to it’s vaunted and and long forgotten role as meddler and occupier in the Middle East! Hip Hip Hooray!
Three Cheers for the Career soldiers who are little more than pawns of politicians who (for the vast majority) wouldn’t stand on the front themselves and say Boo!
Hip Hip Hooray for the Boys and Girls who are getting blown to bits for a few drops of oil and the Right to a nice Theocratic Regime in the former Mesopotamia.
Raise a glass for the very real possibility of a returned Caliphate in the middle east, made possible by the Soldiers of Freedom and the tanks of Liberty!
Then take your Jingoistic bullcrap and stuff it in the coffins with every boy and girl killed by some other boy defending their own country from Oil Hungry losers who treat National Defense like “Gi-Joe”
By the by, only the US omitted over One Hundred thousand troops to Iraq, the UK committed less than 30,000. Hundreds of Thousands? That was an overestimate.
Cheers’ Good job doing the bare minimum to “support the troops” How about, instead of forwarding emails, you take a car ride down to the Veterans Hospital and spend an afternoon volunteering in the Psyche ward, those PTSD kids are a scream.
— On Wed, 15/7/09, Shaw, Angela <Angela.Shaw@ wrote: